Fortunately, I was aware of the very real dangers and just kept just 1 called Gunner. Many thanks. Another Potential Problem Among Littermates: Fighting. I would really appreciate any advice you could provide. This article really does not cover the problems you are experiencing as these dogs have been brought up in separate households, therefore, littermate syndrome does not apply. Should these pups be kept completely apart? I know they've had a rough start in life. In the wild, this play and interaction all happens between the time they are born and 16 weeks. The other dog should stop fighting when it sees its opponent move away. The article above states that one more nervous than the other is almost always the case in rearing siblings or two pups from different litter of similar ages. The simple answer is it will be slightly easier, however I believe you should not have another young dog when your existing pup is under 14 months. Just because it worked for you does not mean it will always work. I read you your concerns and think the separation you are doing is enough to stave of littermate syndrome. Keep your body a safe distance away from the dog. “The problem with that approach is that it’s often difficult to tell who should be the alpha dog, it is also difficult for owners to play favourites with their dogs. Make introductions away from home in a neutral location such as a neighborhood park. What do I do though going forward? So if the puppies are just roughhousing with each other -- and even if there's a yelp here and there -- … She is slowly warming up to me but is still very scared of me. If they are experienced and not a first-time breeder then they are well aware of the pitfalls of these actions, and that the dogs will suffer for the rest of their lives. Although the idea of kids and dogs seem perfect, it works out only when the dog is patient and tolerant of children’s antics, and when a parent supervises the dog and children. My partner and I have aquired two spayed female jack Russells die to their previous owner being unable to cope with them. The puppies come to rely on each other and it weakens both of them, often to the extent that they become withdrawn from everything other than themselves. These typically include growling, sustained eye contact, flashing teeth and holding the tail still. with some separation. Sometimes we spend the evening together, sometimes for a walk during the day. If you can I would rehome one. We fed them separately and this solved the problem most of the time. I heard the term "littermate syndrome" and at first I followed the advice, separate walks, separate playtime, etc. If you need to break up a fight, squirt the dogs with water, throw a blanket over them or make a noise aversion therapy sound to break the circle of aggression by distracting them. So, instead go out to the more confident dog and ask him to follow a series of commands gradually moving him away from the door. He was terrified of me all this time but alert. We had 4 grown dogs in the house already, with whom the 1st pup (more adventurous and brave) got along much better. She is an energetic clown, he is sweet and kind. do i stop them? If you decide to choose this alternative, you can home one of the dogs with another family member or a trusted friend. He has also written for Dogmagazine.net. They went from the streets to a foster and back to living on the streets, and I don't want to release one of them back to the streets as its dangerous, and I don't have any other alternative. My sister and I purchased dogs from the same breeder, but different litters. Never neuter both dogs especially if these dogs are male. As they are now getting bigger we are becoming worried that their fighting could become dangerous. He has definitely bonded with the other dog however, you must be wary he does not over-bond as that causes untold problems. I always recommend my clients to wait until their puppy is 14 months old before purchasing another puppy. Hi, Stella, I think it was your sister that wrote the request above your and i have answered that in full. BUT they are very very territorial and anxious with strangers or unknown dogs, growling, barking, or sometimes even chasing people who come on our road. Is there anything I should look out for ? Whether it be humans or dogs, blood is thicker than water. It’s important to point out that not all siblings develop sibling rivalry. On the same day we also got a 8 week old cockapoo to keep her company from same family but not related. The second pup is smaller than our one. Literally, everything you do should be separate. I would like your thoughts before I offer to take one in. Our breeder told us it was normal puppy behaviour. Without the total reliance on their sibling for constant support, they will grow and blossom into much rounder and less aggressive and fearful individuals. He is in protection mode when she's around. Sometimes Littermate Syndrome can take the form of non-stop fighting between the dogs. Any advice??? They are about a year and a half old. How siblings see the relationship between them and their owners as a resource and they will fight over the attention and resources you give them. It's been 3 months. My problem is his eating. That is definitely one of the bigger of the many problems that can arise by taking on siblings. On the surface, the idea of purchasing siblings appears to be highly commendable. Although nothing is set in stone, generally bringing together dogs with too many similar qualities, ie age, size, sex, temperament, and breed, may spark a conflict. They were 14 weeks old. Puppy Sibling Rivalry Among puppies, sibling rivalry is a fairly common occurrence in littermates. Your puppy needs to bond to you and the rest of his human pack. Try and keep them separated quite a  lot that means at night if possible until the youngest is 14 months of age that should help. Watch how they interact and pay close attention to which dog is dominant and which one is passive. Often just soft sounds can trigger noise and warning barks. Dogs are generally good at maintaining their own societal structure and they are instinctively averse to risking injury by fighting unless survival, food or the opportunity to mate are at stake. Note down the gestures that precede fighting. The incidence of owners purchasing "Siblings", either same-sex or brother and sister from the same litter or two puppies from different litters and breeds but of similar ages is now more prevalent than at any other time in living memory. Then he started joining us on the bed at night but still no interaction. Distract the puppies if they begin to fight at the next playtime by calling their names, making noise or both. House training can be done but you must use a crate especially at night and follow my articles on toilet training on the website. Male dogs, siblings or not, are more aggressive when they're intact. I have called it “Littermate Syndrome”. 1 pup, Mellow, was born in my house when the security guard's dog chose it as a place to hang out. They steal each others toys and bones, even when they have their own, they growl at each other for no apparent reason, the female is particularly aggressive. We now have a little boy and so i want to address the problem after reading your article i now know we shouldnt of got 2 together but will seperating them now as a last resort cause more harm than good as they fret without each other im not sure what to do for the best ? If not they will always be damaged by their almost total reliance on each other. thereby benefiting from that closeness and companionship gleaning untold pleasure from each others company. Because they did well before and were making dog friends, I think with consistency, they can get back on track. The dog you’re dragging may twist and continue to snarl. With regard to neutering may I suggest you read my Dangers of Neutering Overview. Hi. Never physically break up a fight unless you feel there is a risk of injury. Is it too late to separate them? He began his writing career after graduating with a Bachelors of Arts degree in music from Salford University. I thought I was buying them from a reputable kennel. So for a few months she lived with me but I assumed that he would take her. If that doesn't work, is 9 mo. We have just agreed to take on a second bitch pup, also from the same litter, who hasn't settled in her new home because of 2 bigger dogs and a difficult family set-up. I got 3 of their male siblings adopted into separate homes with great difficulty (took me 3 months of relentless posting and follow up on social media), and female dogs don't get adopted soon. There is always a pack order and dogs are happiest when this order is clearly established, even if they happen to be the submissive dog. For example, if you give a toy to the passive pup, the dominant pup may become rough with him to assert superiority. They are very intolerant of my cats and other dogs, we seem unable to fully house train them despite constantly trying and they bark a lot. Never physically break up a fight unless you feel there is a risk of injury. Should we not do this. Should I start feeding them separately or is it too late? One of the girls has warmed up to me but the other is so skittish, she jumps at the slightest movement. I wish you were here! It's a completely normal and desirable behavior in young dogs up to several months of age. If you read the article I do not say that all the dogs that are brought together have problems some don't but the reality is that MOST of these young pups reared together will have significant behavioural problems. This may be of help. My pups are 6 months apart in age. They establish pack hierarchy by play fighting. I have no respect for a breeder that uses these tactics or those sell littermates to one owner. This unfortunate pair may come to fear all other dogs and unknown people, plus any situation where they are separated from each other. www.doglistener.co.uk, Further to the excellent article on why not to have 2 siblings from the same litter, I wonder if I could have advice on our predicament. The pups are not together each minute of the day. We do not live in the same house, but plan to spend a lot of time together going forward. How do I get him to eat? However, if the young dog does not cease its assertive and distance increasing displays as soon as the older dog shows deference or appeasing postures, then it must be controlled and inhibited. These dogs will rarely fight each other when no one is there. While there are indeed struggles in raising siblings—including ongoing dog aggression and fighting often seen between same-gendered littermates— there are also well-adjusted cohabitating pairs. I am so frustrated yet I love them. Have one handler per dog and introduce them on a leash. They are about 3 months old and are currently eating and sleeping together. It's a heartbreaking decision - but clearly the right one. Many thanks. The last few days the two of them have started fighting and its viscous. Positives: They are wonderful together at home with me, with my friends and happy laying at my feet in a coffee shop. And everyone else threw stones at her because this is the local way of treating dogs. A couple questions, should I get Lucy spayed even though Bailey is the alpha? So they are pretty independent of each other and have different hobbies. When Tima won't come home I wish I'd never taken them on but I was so happy when she came to the door at 4:30am. They both hit puberty at about 6 mo. The passive dog will typically display this with submissive gestures, such as rolling over, averting his gaze, moving out the other dog’s way and patiently waiting his turn to feed. But, as they are both going to be 7 months old when they get together, are the risks smaller? (drew a little blood.) This manifests itself in aggression as they approach both physical and social maturity. I left it open and she eventually came to the door at 04:30 this morning, hungry and cold. Get the help that you need with a Certified Dog Behavior Consultant in your area. They are really good friends and don't fight at all. I already tried to post this once, so if it double posts, forgive me--I'm a bit of an emotional pregnant lady. I have two siblings, male&female, who were feral living in the woods when I got them at 3 mos old, one week apart. Hi Stacy. By using our website you are agreeing to our use of cookies. What do you think? Sleeping alone and showing aggression by threatening any sibling that approaches to within a two or three-foot radius often shunning extended contact with their brothers and sisters. Littermate Syndrome Issue 3: Inter-Dog Aggression Especially among same-sex siblings, fighting can become severe, even dangerous, as they reach maturity. They suffer when separated, even for short periods of time. That problem arises from lack of socialisation during the first 16 weeks of their life. It is not easy for my parents and they are seriously investigating rehoming one of the pups. Me and my sister have the identical problem to the previous query. Puppies brawl with their littermates, mother and friendly adult dogs to develop their … If it can have that type of physical effect just imagine what is occurring psychologically. One of them in particular shows a clear preference for playing with her sister while her sister plays with the other dogs, if that makes sense. To keep dogs from fighting it is important to work with them one on one. Will they get beyond this period? You certainly can improve these dog behaviour up to a degree. I have just adopted 2 pups of a litter. We see this with human twins. Distract the puppies if they begin to fight at the next playtime by calling their names, making noise or both. For example, firmly saying “NO!” or giving the dog a spritz of water from a spray bottle may stop his behavior. But she wasn't happy about his attempts to take her by force and sticks. Normally it is just one of the dogs that start this behaviour, then the other one joins in acting almost as a mimic. They have never bitten but it's still stressful to walk them. Go for a walk side by side, allowing them to stop and sniff one another when both are in a calm state. https://www.doglistener.co.uk/puppies/socialisation.shtml It may not be too late to try and socialise them with people or other dogs but it going to be very difficult as you have two of them. When a dog is by itself, there isn't much it can do, besides chew up a shoe or something. Fighting: In many cases where these sibling puppies have come to totally rely on each other, then frustrations can play a part in causing underlying animosity. The most severe forms are usually seen among female littermates. How to Prevent Puppies from Fighting Puppies that are routinely getting into fights with other puppies may need more enrichment outside of puppy social hour. i know that it could just be fun to them, but the girl puppy seems to really be getting hurt.im wondering that it might be because they are teething, but its looks very violent. Clap your hands, stamp your feet or blow a whistle. They are crated separately and walked separately, and dont fight at all, yet at least. Hello, I wish my parents had read this artical. Would any of your advice work for dogs this age? We have been together two years, and I really don't want to break them up if re-training them is possible. However we regularly have family gatherings at our own houses and our parent mutual house and would always take both dogs, both being well trained, good with children and never showing any form of aggression to other dogs they were fine. It is really important that our pups get on when they are older as we plan to holiday together etc. Once you stop paying attention, they’ll begin to interact again. The last couple of weeks tensions have been growing and they just had their first big fight. The Kennel Club: Toilet Training and Socialisation. Then it's easy to blame "littermate syndrome" then own up to the true cause of the issue, the owner's behavior towards them. The relationship they have with their owners may also decline and they start to look inwards rather than outwards. Sibling puppies, therefore, will be as difficult to handle as two fighting human siblings. ... How to Stop Dogs From Fighting 1. I hope you read this message since I was confused about littermate syndrome. You can use this article in either your own website or printed, but only with the following statement at the top of the piece with the link back to my site: © Stan Rawlinson Dog Behaviourist and Expert Witness is the author this article and two hundred plus others. Me and my sister both purchased sibling puppies, they live separately full time. Help! And then train me on her and both together. The goal is to redirect your dog’s … Usually, this will help, but not always. You will see dramatic improvements to the personalities of both pups. Play Fighting Basics In general, you shouldn't discourage puppies from play fighting. I would suggest you buy my jingler and DVD as it will certainly help with the lead work conder the leads as well as they are manufactured with the jingler in mind. Thanks so much for the article, and any other info you're able to give. Then like a light switch being turned off, they start to distance themselves from their siblings. Firstly determine who is the more dominant, reinforce that position by feeding, greeting, playing or letting the top dog out first. No. Read my article (2) The Dangers of Spaying and Castration, it is not as simple or clear-cut as people imagine. I wanted to know if we took one in, would their behaviour change to toward each other and my sister's Frenchie over time? This teaches the dogs that abstaining from fighting has a positive outcome. With regards to trying to rehome on then if you could, that will be fine the dogs will initially be fretful and miss their siblings but this should be overcome within about three weeks. But when there are siblings that are abused, they take it out on each other. taking away vital calming hormones such as Oestrogen and Progesterone can fuel the level of aggression to the point that they could fight to the death. I have the next 3-4 weeks with some extra time to focus on this. After all, that is what they do in the litter that should subside given enough time and patience. we go to puppy training school together. They are better apart than together right now in the above situations. Where the problems lies is often in the owners interference in the arrangements and hierarchical structure. I wish you the very best for these dogs. Repeat the distraction technique then give a reward. Is this salvagable or was it inevitable and they need separate owners? He has contributed to and written for various magazines including "K9 Magazine" and "Pet Friendly Magazine." I would definitely separate them as soon as possible and allow them to grow up not relying on each other. The 2nd is friendly too, but is often left out/prefers to be with humans. They are cuddly, playful and funny. In fact, it is very dangerous especially if done before maturity. Whenever the pups are together they fight all the time. (4-5 street dogs who live on our road.) I have twin brothers and twin grandchildren, so I do have some experience of this phenomenon.. Get them into routines separate them on a regular basis and feed them twice a day in different locations. They rarely reach full maturity as they tend to be mentally and sometimes physically stunted and inhibited by the closeness to each other. Toss the loop around the hindquarters of one of the dogs, creating a sort of sling, and slowly drag the dog at least 20 feet away. Adorable. Neutering not only removes the motivation to fight over potential mates, but also reigns in the hormones that can compel them to fight in general. Kayla is very friendly with me and Tima is still afraid of me but slowly making progress. Usually, that’s the oldest and/or pet that’s been in the house longest, the healthiest pet, or (in a dog/cat household) the cat. They become so engrossed with each other that all other dogs are seen as a threat to their mutual alliance. With females, it is even more complex. Things You Must Do: Everything must now be done independently to allow for the Siblings to have any chance of becoming separate entities instead of the reduced sum of the whole. At some point he suddenly decided to rejoin the world and camped out under my bed but still not interacting with either of us. Advice on two pups in different households, Fighting sisters and we've got a baby on the way, Answer to Fighting sisters and we've got a baby on the way, https://www.doglistener.co.uk/Dog-aggression-Interdog-rivalry-in-home.shtml, Just so it's not an echo chamber, I have siblings who are fine, Bulls Pizzles End Pieces Natural Dog Treats, Ultra Short Dog Leads and also Used for Recall, Billy's Story THe Horrific Side of Dog Theft, Training Gundogs That Are Reluctant To Retrieve Birds, Why First 16 Weeks of Your Pups Life is Important, Shock Admission RSPCA and Labradoodle Breeders Neutering Puppies at Six Weeks Old. Puppies learn from their mother and from each other. Turning a second dog loose in the home can result in your faithful companion defending his territory. Not as in most cases total inter-dependence on each other when they are raised, trained, and fed together. I want to help them. We’ve always gone on holidays together and we’re often both at my parents house at the same time with both our dogs. My parents are at our house ever day but the pups would not have to be together, but all of us do spend Christmas and some holidays together. Their inter-relationship becomes so intense that it controls everything they do. One of the easiest ways to stop your sibling puppies from fighting is to give them distinct periods of separation and distinct periods of interaction. It happened 4 times after that. Over time, you can gradually phase out the reward part of the training and just use the distraction technique. The lower dog may now feel emboldened enough to challenge the bolder dog. The problem of sibling puppies fighting is a serious one and it goes beyond simple squabbles among two puppies. They play fight alot but mostly with mum one is more vocal than the other . Many people get two puppies so that they can play together when the opposite needs to happen. 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